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		<title>By: Ian C.</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2263</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jun 2006 01:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mini2.com/forum/2481690-post59.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this MINI2 post&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;em&gt;Under certain environmental conditions, mainly lower ambient temperatures, ethanol separates from gasoline/alcohol mixture and absorbs water. The ethanol absorbed water molecules are heavier then gasoline or ethanol, they remain at the bottom of fuel tank and when introduced into combustion process they tend to form an extremely lean mixture resulting in misfire, rough idle and cold starting problems&lt;/em&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://www.mini2.com/forum/2481690-post59.html" rel="nofollow">this MINI2 post</a>:<br />
<em>Under certain environmental conditions, mainly lower ambient temperatures, ethanol separates from gasoline/alcohol mixture and absorbs water. The ethanol absorbed water molecules are heavier then gasoline or ethanol, they remain at the bottom of fuel tank and when introduced into combustion process they tend to form an extremely lean mixture resulting in misfire, rough idle and cold starting problems</em></p>
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		<title>By: Aqualung</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2262</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so I started the car this AM and same old story, had to turn it over a 2nd time.  Should be filling up w/ Shell 89 tonight/tmrw...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so I started the car this AM and same old story, had to turn it over a 2nd time.  Should be filling up w/ Shell 89 tonight/tmrw&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aqualung</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2261</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was up at MOP today, a) they flashed my DME to 21.2 and Chris recommends running 89 (minimum, not 87) Shell or Texaco every other tankful...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was up at MOP today, a) they flashed my DME to 21.2 and Chris recommends running 89 (minimum, not 87) Shell or Texaco every other tankful&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tim P</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2260</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just started happenening to my 05 S, Zippy2, Symtoms are the same....tried the same....added some 87 to my tank full of 93....was ok for a couple of starts...but did seem to run better!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just started happenening to my 05 S, Zippy2, Symtoms are the same&#8230;.tried the same&#8230;.added some 87 to my tank full of 93&#8230;.was ok for a couple of starts&#8230;but did seem to run better!?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian C.</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2259</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well this morning, GBMINI#3 is back to a sluggish cold start and rough running for a few seconds - the 89 gas was only a short term fix :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well this morning, GBMINI#3 is back to a sluggish cold start and rough running for a few seconds &#8211; the 89 gas was only a short term fix <img src='http://www.gbmini.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: usaaus</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2258</link>
		<dc:creator>usaaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jun 2006 04:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in the midwest often say they don&#039;t have any problems - ethanol has been used as an oxygenate out there for some time  so that is good news for the longer term.

Theoretically, anyone with badly maintained equipment will know about it pretty quickly, so the problems should be worked out in a matter of weeks.  But keep in mind if the delivery tanker driver isn&#039;t careful with the spill cups after a rainstorm, or someone screws up the ethanol blending process, problems could crop up at any time.  If you know about it, I would avoid filling up right after a delivery.  also, if a pump runs real slow - that is a sign that the filter in it is plugged (bad maintenance).

I think 89 octane helps because fuel over blended with ethanol will lead to a lean mixture particularly at idle or wot.  The 89  helps to make the fuel burn a little faster and thios helps overcome that problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in the midwest often say they don&#8217;t have any problems &#8211; ethanol has been used as an oxygenate out there for some time  so that is good news for the longer term.</p>
<p>Theoretically, anyone with badly maintained equipment will know about it pretty quickly, so the problems should be worked out in a matter of weeks.  But keep in mind if the delivery tanker driver isn&#8217;t careful with the spill cups after a rainstorm, or someone screws up the ethanol blending process, problems could crop up at any time.  If you know about it, I would avoid filling up right after a delivery.  also, if a pump runs real slow &#8211; that is a sign that the filter in it is plugged (bad maintenance).</p>
<p>I think 89 octane helps because fuel over blended with ethanol will lead to a lean mixture particularly at idle or wot.  The 89  helps to make the fuel burn a little faster and thios helps overcome that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Aqualung</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2257</link>
		<dc:creator>Aqualung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Usauss or others, how long should we run the 89 octane, all summer until the winter formulation?  

And, should we add a fuel additive?  Isn&#039;t there one to remove water from the tank?  Or am I imagining things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Usauss or others, how long should we run the 89 octane, all summer until the winter formulation?  </p>
<p>And, should we add a fuel additive?  Isn&#8217;t there one to remove water from the tank?  Or am I imagining things?</p>
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		<title>By: Ian C.</title>
		<link>http://www.gbmini.net/wp/2006/06/bad_gas/comment-page-1/#comment-2256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - thanks for all that great info! No wonder there&#039;s been a few issues :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; thanks for all that great info! No wonder there&#8217;s been a few issues <img src='http://www.gbmini.net/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: usaaus</title>
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		<dc:creator>usaaus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest concern with the introduction of ethanol in New England, especially with all this rain, is poorly maintained underground storage tanks.

Gas stations have generally not worried about anywhere up to a couple of inches of water in their tanks because it just sat on the bottom, but ethanol will instantly separate from the gas and can lead to upwards of 10 inches of an alchohol water mix in the tank.  The pick up is usually 4-6 inches off the bottom, so this can lead it big trouble ig you happen to pump this into your car.

In addition it is vital that the filters in individual gas pumps at the station be changed once the first load of ethanol blended fuel arrives.

Unfortuanelt many stations may not know when this is, so they won&#039;t have cleaned the tank ensured there is no water and changed the filters.

10% ethanol blended gas should be fine, but there are so many places in the process where trouble can start.

One other:  ethanol has to be blended at the distribution terminal (it is too corrosive to be piped with the gas, it must be trucked or rail-shipped). This means that each delivery tanker could theoretically have a different percentage of ethanol depending on how dilligent the person was doing the blending for that load....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest concern with the introduction of ethanol in New England, especially with all this rain, is poorly maintained underground storage tanks.</p>
<p>Gas stations have generally not worried about anywhere up to a couple of inches of water in their tanks because it just sat on the bottom, but ethanol will instantly separate from the gas and can lead to upwards of 10 inches of an alchohol water mix in the tank.  The pick up is usually 4-6 inches off the bottom, so this can lead it big trouble ig you happen to pump this into your car.</p>
<p>In addition it is vital that the filters in individual gas pumps at the station be changed once the first load of ethanol blended fuel arrives.</p>
<p>Unfortuanelt many stations may not know when this is, so they won&#8217;t have cleaned the tank ensured there is no water and changed the filters.</p>
<p>10% ethanol blended gas should be fine, but there are so many places in the process where trouble can start.</p>
<p>One other:  ethanol has to be blended at the distribution terminal (it is too corrosive to be piped with the gas, it must be trucked or rail-shipped). This means that each delivery tanker could theoretically have a different percentage of ethanol depending on how dilligent the person was doing the blending for that load&#8230;.</p>
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